in 1937 as we were coming out of depression, the government tightened fiscal policy, raised taxes and the fed raised rates and created a second downturn. this is what ben bernanke has studied his whole life and this is the mistake he refuses to make. >> jeff, wouldn't that be a mistake? i mean, isn't part of the equation that we're not talking about, demand? yes, there's a lot money out there and it's very cheap right now but the demand for that money is what's keeping the inflation lower right now, isn't it? >> i would tell you, yeah, i mean, the demand i guess is certainly the issue that he's trying to stimulate here, but i just don't know how you stimulate it by continuing to just devalue the united states currency. >> let me stop you there, jeff, because that hasn't happened. >> yes, it has. >> by what measure? >> if you look at the dxy, down 11% since qe started. >> okay. if that was also part -- if you read all. fed's and all of ben bernanke's literature on how to attack deflation and reflate, part of it is gently devaluing the dollar. competitive devaluations going around the w